CL-415 Oppo

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 03/28/2019 at 11:33 • Filed to: wingspan, Planelopnik

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Watch this guy sawing on the wheel while fighting wildfires in Spain. Towards the end of the sadly brief video he’s turning full right and still going left. Doc Hudson would be proud.

Pretty sure this is a Canadair CL-415.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 11:38

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Needs Ri de of the Valkyries blasting in the background.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 11:41

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That’s a mighty slow roll rate there...

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 11:43

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Reckon he’s got a few thousand pounds of water on board. Inertia’s a bitch. 

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 11:44

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That’s the 215 with the radial engines. Not sure which one he’s flying, unless you can tell by the sound of the engines. His IG post shows him with a 415.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 11:46

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Also, people may not realize this, but to hold a steady bank angle, you roll aileron in, and then roll it * out*, or the bank angle will continue to increase.  You can see him do this clearly in that last turn.

In steep turns, some airplanes even take a little bit of opposite aileron to hold the bank angle.  

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 11:47

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Ah yeah - I hear turboprop whine in the video.

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 11:51

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Thanks. There is a lot more going on than just turning the wheel, to be sure, much that I know nothing about. Thanks for the explanation. 

vicali > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 11:57

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And then do that again and again and again for a 30 hour shift...

Hats off - those guys are heroes.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 11:57

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Yeah, I’m ignoring the rudder and throttle inputs but you can’t see those anyways.

WilliamsSW > vicali 03/28/2019 at 11:59

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E L E C T R A 

ttyymmnn > vicali 03/28/2019 at 12:00

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This video gives me chills every time.

Note how smaller pathfinder aircraft goes first, followed by the DC-10. Incredible stuff. 

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 12:02

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I wrote something in TDIAH a long time ago that included something about combined turns. It took a lot of reading before I (sort of) figured it out. In fact, it might have been when I was writing about the V-tail Bonanza. I don’t really remember.

I enjoy learning about things like that, and I feel that I can’t write about it, especially to a lay audience, until I fully understand it myself. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:06

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balls of steel or maybe aircraft grade aluminum.

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:07

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Unloading so much!

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:09

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Woooohoooooo! Looks like FUN!

*straps on a Cherokee to do some practice runs*

ttyymmnn > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/28/2019 at 12:10

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Some interesting comments from WilliamsSW in this thread.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:12

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Right now, TRBB knows that stuff better than I do :)

gmctavish needs more space > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:12

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I love how casual he looks while wrestling that thing around 

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 12:14

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Eh, it’s just  like riding a bicycle, right?

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:15

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I read those. The little Cherokee I fly doesn’t have the inertia to have those kinds of problems. I was having some issues with wandering in a steep turn and my instructor did a little demo to show it was me and not the plane. He put it in a steep turn, set the elevator trim to hold the turn, then let go of the controls while we went around in circles. The plane just settled in and went round and round and round....

ttyymmnn > gmctavish needs more space 03/28/2019 at 12:15

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I love seeing somebody who is just so absolutely focused and on task, and clearly knows absolutely what they are doing in a situation where normal people would lose their shit. He’s a badass. And, one look at his IG page, and you can tell that he knows it. I would say, though, that a certain amount of bravado would be required in this job. 

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:17

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On my checkride for my private pilot’s license, the DPE was a 777 Captain for United.  On the way back into PWK, the controller had me do a series of S-turns for traffic spacing.  After we parked and shut down, he complemented me on my stick and rudder skills doing those turns - it’s pretty easy get sloppy and uncoordinated with those, especially at low airspeeds.  They’re great practice.

TheRealBicycleBuck > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 12:19

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HAH! Let’s not test that theory!

ttyymmnn > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/28/2019 at 12:20

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my instructor did a little demo to show it was me and not the plane

Interestingly, this is exactly applicable to playing the trumpet.

My teacher in grad school was one of the last great pedagogues of his generation, and his teacher, Ernest Williams, was one of the first great pedagogues. Williams had a saying:

I never met a good player who, when given a bad instrument , suddenly became a bad player. Likewise, I never met a bad player who, when given a good instrument , suddenly became a good player. It’s 90% the man.

Truer words....

WilliamsSW > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/28/2019 at 12:21

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Oh, you do - trust me. I haven’t flown an airplane in 10 years or so. I remember *most* of the concepts, but could I roll in and out of a 45 degree left turn and stay coordinated?

Umm, probably not.

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:29

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I did a little digging through the comments and found the company. It’s 10-Tanker Air . They have some outstanding photos and lots of information on their website.

ttyymmnn > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/28/2019 at 12:42

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Back in 2011, when much of Bastrop County was a on fire , they deployed the DC-10 to KAUS but then never used it. I was hoping to catch it in the air. It’s a shame that there has to be a disaster to see it, though. As cool as it is, I’d rather not have people and land burned up.

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:43

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Absolutely. I can make ANY guitar sound like crap.

vicali > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 12:50

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These ones are good showing how much win d they are dealing with.. Bird-dog is in there too.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 13:24

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Beyond being a great name for a band, Opposite Aileron seems like it should be the name of our aviation equivalent out on the i nternets .

WilliamsSW > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 03/28/2019 at 13:32

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Opposite Rudder ( Opporudder?) Is even better and a decent corollary to Opposite Lock.

It’s how you land in a crosswind , and how you slip a plane to lose altitude. As an added bonus, it helps with spin entry :)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 17:04

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I’ve heard you make that quote.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/28/2019 at 17:04

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That’s the spirit!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/28/2019 at 17:06

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Duralumin.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 03/28/2019 at 17:06

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I wonder how much each such drop costs.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/28/2019 at 17:07

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It’s a good one.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/28/2019 at 17:08

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Well, the water is free...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 17:10

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There was was an incident with maybe it was an A320 that ran out of fuel because there was a leak and the pilots pumped all of the fuel overboard. The pilot had to dead stick a series of S-turns to scrub speed and altitude. Then he barked up the runway pretty good with a hard landing, but I think everybody walked away. Landed on an island somewhere.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 03/28/2019 at 17:10

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Agreed.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/28/2019 at 17:38

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

Whenever an airliner runs out of fuel you can count on it being a Canadian airline.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/28/2019 at 17:48

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There was one picture that showed a big gouge in the pavement of the runway, but I couldn’t find it.